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>> Rolling.

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>> This is Kristen
McGann and Don Little

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interviewing Norman Penfield
on Wednesday, October 5th,

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2016, at his office located at

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103 P Rickman Industrial Drive

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in Holly Springs,
Georgia. Hi, Norman.

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>> Hello there.

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>> Please state your full name.

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>> I'm Norman Allen Penfield.

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>> And when and
where were you born?

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I was born in Davidsville,

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Georgia, but really,
I was born in Rome,

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Georgia, but lived in
Davidsville my entire life.

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>> When did your family
originally move to Davidsville?

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>> I understand they moved in

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1916 from Bessemer, Alabama.

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My grandfather where he
was in the ice business,

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but heard of this farm that
was for sale in Davidsville.

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[NOISE] Excuse me. Was right on

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the South side of
Davidsville and had a lot

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of orchard trees
there, so good deal.

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Came to Davidsville
and bought that farm.

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And then having an
ice background,

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started the ice service
delivering ice refrigeration,

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little ice boxes
from door-to-door,

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as well as had an ice house

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next to a little rock cafe
there on the old 41 highway.

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So [NOISE] if he was outside
of his delivery service,

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he could come pick you
up ice at the ice house.

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And in fact that ice house,

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I can't really remember the
door-to-door service because

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refrigeration pretty come around

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by the time I can remember.

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But I do remember a lot
of people come getting

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ice still from the
little ice house,

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I don't know how
much they weighed,

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at least 100 pounds,

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big slabs of ice and I remember

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the ice pick fascinated
me to be a kid.

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The kid to go take an ice pick,

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break the ice into
different sections.

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And they had a
pattern to how much

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each little block would weigh.

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So they charged by the pound,

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but they didn't have
the scales there.

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But they could tell
by how they divided

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that big chunk of ice up into
either quarters or halves,

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whatever or how much it
weighed and charge for it.

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>> So what reasons
did your family

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have for choosing Davidsville?

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>> I wasn't around,
so I had no idea.

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But really, I do in ways
because of the peaches,

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but Davidsville had big
roots of farming peaches,

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and I understand back to
turn of last century,

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that it was one of the biggest

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peach producers in the country.

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So this farm had quite a
bit of peach trees on it.

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So I assume that's the reason
he picked Davidsville.

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It might just been a
good deal on a farm.

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[LAUGHTER]

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I really don't know.
I never heard.

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>> Can you tell us about
your childhood home

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and its previous resident?

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>> Lord of Mercy. I talked

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to my sister on this last night.

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She's eight years
my senior here.

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In fact, I volunteered
her for this too,

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but she spends most of her
time in South Florida,

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she has a home down
there, Naples.

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But anyway, the house was

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actually built before
the Civil War.

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And you asked about Miss
Topsy, Alice Howard here.

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She grew up there,

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but it was her uncle's
house, Mr. Whitworth.

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I do not know his
initials or whatever.

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I'm sorry. I got that.

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But Miss Topsy was quite
a person, historian,

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and I'm sure this is not
the first time you've heard

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her name in talking
with old people here,

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but she grew up
there in our house.

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And there there was

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a Yankee soldier in
Civil War killed there.

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There's bloodstains up the steps

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and then my old
bedroom before they

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covered [inaudible] a little
kid that point out there is

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where the Yankee soldier
died in the Civil War.

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So you want to get off on
the ghost now? [LAUGHTER].

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>> Yeah, you can talk
about the ghost.

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>> Miss Topsy, she
believed in ghosts,

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let's put it that way,

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and communicate with
them on top of that.

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I'll get that talking
about the seances.

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But she claimed that Godfrey
from Barnsley's Garden,

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his ghost lived in our house.

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So anytime a door shut
unexpectedly or sound,

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we always said, "That's just

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Godfrey," [LAUGHTER] growing up.

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So I grew up with a ghost

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in my house or
thinking I had one.

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It was so fun because

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he was a friendly ghost.
He wasn't a bad ghost.

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>> This was the story Miss
Topsy would tell you?

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>> Yeah. Miss Topsy tell stories

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could [inaudible] kids would

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love to get around Miss
Topsy when she's telling old

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the ghost stories and she had

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some goodies too immersed there.

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They were all
supposed to be true.

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But I don't know if this
is the right place,

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but as I said, I don't
know what the term is,

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but felt she could communicate
with them as well.

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And I never attended them,

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but they had what was known as

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seances where they'd
make tables walk.

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Put your hands on the tables
like the Ouija board,

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but they did the Ouija board,

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let me take this
one step forward.

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Across the railroad
tracks from my home

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is the grave of two unknown
soldiers from the Civil War.

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And one of her Ouija
boards seances

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asked the Ouija board
what their names were.

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And it spelled out their names.

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And she did, supposedly,

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the follow up on the thing and

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that was the names of
those two soldiers.

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>> What was the
address of that house?

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>> We never had numbers.
I had to look it up.

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[LAUGHTER]

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Growing up, there
wasn't such thing.

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311 South Main Street.

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It's funny how you remember

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certain things and I
can't remember yesterday.

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I remember our first
telephone number.

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It was 97J.

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Of course, it was no dial.

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It was all [NOISE] and
we have party line.

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You knew what ring you
had to pick up phone.

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And I also remember as kids
figuring out how we snoop on

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other people's
conversation by unscrewing

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the microphone then
listen. [LAUGHTER]

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>> More question. I don't
mean to derail you.

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>> No, go ahead.

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>> You mentioned
Godfrey the ghost,

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which garden did you
say he was burried?

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>> Barnsley's Garden.

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>> Barnsley's Garden?

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>> The castle down
[inaudible] station.

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Seven miles away.

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>> But then you had, I guess,

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communicating with
the unknown soldiers

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or was it like a big
ghost party for you?

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>> No, but she had these,

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her and several of
the people in town.

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They would meet socially.

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Instead of playing bridge or
whatever, they had seance.

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They'd ask either the
Ouija board or the table.

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They had the table which
it would make sounds.

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Everybody put their hands on it,

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just like the Ouija
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And they would supposedly
communicate with a spirit.

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>> What is the status
of that home currently?

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>> Pitiful. When mother
and dad passed away,

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my sister and I divided

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the inheritance and I
gave Patty the house

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because I would
never move back to

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it and I took the farm
out on [inaudible]

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So she toyed with

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the idea and decided

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not to move into it
and then sold it.

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And the house has
been butchered.

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It was a three-bedroom house
when my mother passed away.

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And I just looked
the listing on it.

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It's a six-bedroom
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the carport and cut it into

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two little rooms for
two more bedrooms,

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the old den into
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I do not know the story on
the [inaudible] but there's

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somebody that supposedly
had a big family.

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Let's put it that way.

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Whether they were blood
family or not, I don't know.

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[inaudible] But it's gone down.

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>> What was it like to
grow up in Davidsville?

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>> Wonderful, but I didn't
know it at the time.

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[LAUGHTER]

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What was it like going
up in Adairsville?

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Well, maybe, as close as I can

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come to tell you
about Adairsville.

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It was just carefree.

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There was no locks on the doors.

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Everybody have good time.

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And unless you did wrong.

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[LAUGHTER].

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Went over, got outside
of mother's calling,

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went to the lumber yard
which is a no-no for me.

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That's across the
hill in my back house

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there was a lumber yard

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which I wasn't supposed

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to be because lumber could
fall off and we would liked,

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as kids love to

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dig in the sawdust pile over
there, and make tunnels.

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And I was always afraid
the tunnels would fall in

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and suffocate us.

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They didn't.

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We did fine. I went

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through and made some
notes here and there.

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But let's see.

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Some of the favorite
memories there.

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>> What are some of
your favorite memories

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from your childhood?

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>> There was the first
swimming pool in a bears hole.

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And I don't know, I
tried to go back and

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find somebody that
knows the dates on it,

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but it was miss Terrell that

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had lived in the house
next door to us,

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up on the hill behind
and it's now apartments.

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But there was a nice-sized
public swimming pool.

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She charged to swim,

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so I understand that it was
a public swimming pool.

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That's where I learned to swim.

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Now, it closed around 1950.

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And I have a video

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of it on my Adairsville
photos and memories.

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My Jack Brock,

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which was one of the men
that lived on our street,

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when he came back
from World War II,

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I guess eight millimeter video
camera were a big thing.

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He was in the Pacific.

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He brought one home and
did videos and he videoed

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that swimming pool
and I remember as

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a kid watching that
video with his son,

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which is my age.

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And so I contacted
Randy down and I got

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him to digitize that
video and I posted it.

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And it was really something
to see the old man take

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T-model cars there and the bath,

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especially the women's
bathin suits that was sharp.

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But I fairly remember that

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because I was five years
old when it closed.

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But that swimming was
a big thing to me.

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And the reason I know it
was '50 that it closed is

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the PTA built a
public swimming pool

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over on the west side of town,

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what we call the
Tetriage Park Street,

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that big Terra
Looking column house.

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This way down this ppassed
it down on the bottom.

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That's where the
teachers stayed.

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They rented rooms at

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that big old house back

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when I was a kid.
For the teachers.

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And that's reason they
called it the teachers

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and PTA owned it and they built

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that swimming pool at the
bottom of the hill there.

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Right in the swamps
to all the skaters.

254
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[LAUGHTER]

255
00:15:15,170 --> 00:15:19,595
But the town where spring fed,

256
00:15:19,595 --> 00:15:22,310
we've got great
water, always have.

257
00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:28,250
And this was before they
had filtering systems.

258
00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:29,420
So that swimming pool, they

259
00:15:29,420 --> 00:15:32,820
would clean and
fill up every week.

260
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,655
The first two days after
they filled it up, Eddie,

261
00:15:36,655 --> 00:15:39,340
you jump in and you came
out blue and so cold.

262
00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:42,220
[LAUGHTER]

263
00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:45,540
But the Terrell's swimming
pool was the same way.

264
00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:47,120
But she had a big garden.

265
00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,160
So she used the water
when she drained it

266
00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,260
every week to water that garden,

267
00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:54,380
which was between my house
and her house there.

268
00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:58,775
I was a big swimmer,

269
00:15:58,775 --> 00:16:01,160
so I loved to swimming
pool, both of them.

270
00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,130
I grew up in just
about as about a fish.

271
00:16:08,170 --> 00:16:13,250
It was fun. What the heck.
Had to do something.

272
00:16:13,250 --> 00:16:18,000
>> How has the community
changed since you were a child?

273
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:20,930
>> I'm not finished yet.

274
00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:24,150
>> Okay, sorry.
I'm sorry, go on.

275
00:16:26,050 --> 00:16:36,125
>> Let's see. The other big
activity was the scouts.

276
00:16:36,125 --> 00:16:38,375
And the scout hut,

277
00:16:38,375 --> 00:16:40,625
which was up on top
of Boyd Mountain,

278
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:43,440
and my dad helped to build it.

279
00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:47,210
How we didn't all
die from drinking

280
00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:49,940
that old cistern
water. [LAUGHTER]

281
00:16:49,940 --> 00:16:52,985
Because it had no well up on
top of the mountain there.

282
00:16:52,985 --> 00:16:55,670
And when I was a kid before

283
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:58,415
I was old enough to be a scout,

284
00:16:58,415 --> 00:17:01,460
every month, when they met up,

285
00:17:01,460 --> 00:17:03,170
they see the lights on.

286
00:17:03,170 --> 00:17:04,475
They had outside lights.

287
00:17:04,475 --> 00:17:08,580
Not the buildings but the place.

288
00:17:08,740 --> 00:17:12,270
I always wanted to
be a part of that.

289
00:17:12,430 --> 00:17:15,410
Chief Boyd was a scupmster

290
00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:19,715
and you probably ran
into that name around.

291
00:17:19,715 --> 00:17:25,380
He was the oldest scout
master in the country.

292
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:29,570
He was a veteran of World War I,

293
00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:32,255
a brother of Carl Boyd,

294
00:17:32,255 --> 00:17:39,260
the hero that was Pershing's
sister or whatever.

295
00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:45,605
Anyway, the scouting was
fun and that we met there

296
00:17:45,605 --> 00:17:48,620
overnight once a month

297
00:17:48,620 --> 00:17:52,790
and we have what's known
as what we gained,

298
00:17:52,790 --> 00:17:57,470
a fox and hounds
divided up the group of

299
00:17:57,470 --> 00:18:02,540
scouts into you're either
fox or you're hound.

300
00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:06,125
And the foxes would
go out in the woods.

301
00:18:06,125 --> 00:18:07,640
Now, this is dark.

302
00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,845
I mean, no flashlights, nothing.

303
00:18:09,845 --> 00:18:14,210
We go out the fox [NOISE].

304
00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:16,175
The hounds got a plan

305
00:18:16,175 --> 00:18:18,740
before and tag you before

306
00:18:18,740 --> 00:18:20,930
you could get back to the scout.

307
00:18:20,930 --> 00:18:24,390
If you got back scout
hook, then you won.

308
00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:27,230
Then you reverse the hounds

309
00:18:27,230 --> 00:18:31,850
become foxes and
foxes becomes hounds.

310
00:18:31,850 --> 00:18:34,955
And how somebody died.

311
00:18:34,955 --> 00:18:37,700
Because we'd be running
through the woods

312
00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:39,815
and they just pull out.

313
00:18:39,815 --> 00:18:46,190
I remember hitting a bob
wire fence [LAUGHTER].

314
00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:48,575
But was young.

315
00:18:48,575 --> 00:18:52,950
It was great. It was a
different world back then.

316
00:18:55,210 --> 00:18:58,595
The other thing was
my Kool-aid stand.

317
00:18:58,595 --> 00:19:02,600
I was entrepreneur early
in life down south.

318
00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,910
I hadn't been there in that
I don't mean just a table

319
00:19:04,910 --> 00:19:06,950
out with a deal.

320
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:08,150
I mean, I had built me

321
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:12,350
a little stand on South
Main Street there

322
00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:15,440
and my sister be so

323
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,500
embarrassed her
boyfriend come up bot.

324
00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:24,780
Got to use what you got to it

325
00:19:28,570 --> 00:19:31,955
And the two cotton gins,

326
00:19:31,955 --> 00:19:34,385
that was that was big time.

327
00:19:34,385 --> 00:19:39,995
They were on South Main Street
just up from our house.

328
00:19:39,995 --> 00:19:41,690
And in the fall,

329
00:19:41,690 --> 00:19:44,445
those things weren't
around 24/7,

330
00:19:44,445 --> 00:19:46,990
and there was another taboo

331
00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:48,340
I wasn't supposed to be there,

332
00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:50,680
but all of those kids
had to go up and

333
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,110
watch the land because
it was big stuff,

334
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:55,900
the wagons would come
in with that cotton,

335
00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:59,540
be backed up a quarter mile

336
00:19:59,540 --> 00:20:02,930
long and all that
machinery going whirly,

337
00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:05,960
and that was that
was big stuff but it

338
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,620
only lasted a couple
of months in the fall.

339
00:20:09,620 --> 00:20:14,270
That was a big time. And then

340
00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:17,810
when I got a little
older driving,

341
00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:20,510
gathering on the square.

342
00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:24,320
Gathering on the
square was if you was

343
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,740
lucky enough to have a
date on Saturday night,

344
00:20:27,740 --> 00:20:29,720
then after you took her home,

345
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,715
you went down to the square.

346
00:20:31,715 --> 00:20:35,090
And we all sit around
and tell lies,

347
00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:37,670
[LAUGHTER]

348
00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:38,915
have a good time.

349
00:20:38,915 --> 00:20:44,030
And that's, I know another
question you're going to

350
00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:49,165
ask me about when dad was mayor,

351
00:20:49,165 --> 00:20:51,850
so if I was good or bad.

352
00:20:51,850 --> 00:20:56,040
But at that gathering,

353
00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:59,945
anybody that had a hot car

354
00:20:59,945 --> 00:21:01,955
because the cops weren't around,

355
00:21:01,955 --> 00:21:04,740
they go down lay little rubber

356
00:21:04,990 --> 00:21:08,135
down the main street there,

357
00:21:08,135 --> 00:21:09,950
not not up where the cars were,

358
00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:15,560
but down along by the depot,

359
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,240
the long stretch there.

360
00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:25,385
And so I happened to
bought a Corvette,

361
00:21:25,385 --> 00:21:27,935
this was '65,

362
00:21:27,935 --> 00:21:30,680
and of course, they
were all after

363
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,830
me haggling me on, "Hey,

364
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:35,660
know your dad's mayor,

365
00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:40,250
but you got to do a burnout
here on the plane."

366
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:42,935
and I said, "No. I can't do
that, boys. Can't do that."

367
00:21:42,935 --> 00:21:45,170
all while knowing
I was going to.

368
00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:47,600
[LAUGHTER]

369
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,810
So I said, "No. Guys got to go."

370
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:53,555
End of the night,

371
00:21:53,555 --> 00:21:57,530
and I drove down to the
end of the street where

372
00:21:57,530 --> 00:21:59,180
the Methodist church
is at the end of

373
00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:01,265
the street which police station.

374
00:22:01,265 --> 00:22:04,790
I pulled up to see the police

375
00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:06,380
wasn't there because
we only have

376
00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:08,840
one police car back
then by the way,

377
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,560
so I back down, of course,

378
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,280
I let the flag fly
and I come down.

379
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,905
And as I came in because
you got guys at the end,

380
00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:20,420
you got to turn left,

381
00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:23,030
or you drive into
those buildings

382
00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:25,325
and stores at the
end of the thing.

383
00:22:25,325 --> 00:22:29,075
I go in that slide to burning.

384
00:22:29,075 --> 00:22:33,260
Police come down there
in those corner and

385
00:22:33,260 --> 00:22:35,090
they're blowing the horn at me

386
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:37,070
because they thought I was
going to run all over them.

387
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:37,071
[LAUGHTER]

388
00:22:37,071 --> 00:22:42,005
I got a scolding for that.

389
00:22:42,005 --> 00:22:45,875
They didn't let me go.

390
00:22:45,875 --> 00:22:49,235
Took me into the place station,

391
00:22:49,235 --> 00:22:52,460
told me, well,

392
00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:53,960
I shouldn't have
been doing that,

393
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,000
they had been the
mayor and so forth,

394
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,670
so maybe, what I said earlier,

395
00:22:58,670 --> 00:23:01,410
it was a different
time back then.

396
00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:09,020
They had tolerance, I
guess, I would say.

397
00:23:09,020 --> 00:23:14,420
Anyway, that's some

398
00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:19,140
of the memories I have
of my childhood stuff.

399
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,310
>> What was your dad's
reaction when, I guess,

400
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:24,410
he got the call from
the police officer?

401
00:23:24,410 --> 00:23:25,970
>> He never got the call.

402
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:27,560
>> He never got the call?

403
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,560
>> No. [LAUGHTER]

404
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,460
They let me go.

405
00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:33,890
[LAUGHTER]

406
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:35,810
They ran it down to me and said,

407
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:37,055
"Don't do it again."

408
00:23:37,055 --> 00:23:38,520
>> Okay.

409
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,330
>> Now, another one though,

410
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,570
coming back to the
same thing but we all

411
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:52,640
gathered there and we want
to do a little racing.

412
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,740
We would go over to
140 but then I75

413
00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:00,260
was built and it it stopped in

414
00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:03,095
Adairsville from the north.

415
00:24:03,095 --> 00:24:07,865
But before it was
finished out there,

416
00:24:07,865 --> 00:24:13,070
they still took the
traffic off in Calhoun.

417
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:16,010
So there was a drag strip man.

418
00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:19,355
It was probably sat
there for years while

419
00:24:19,355 --> 00:24:21,590
politics ran to try to figure

420
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:23,795
out where they were
going to cross our town.

421
00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:26,840
That's why it was
held up so many years

422
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,310
there with environmental studies
and so forth, and so on.

423
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:34,880
So we had a quarter mile

424
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,670
marked off to that bridge
where 140 crosses 75.

425
00:24:40,670 --> 00:24:45,275
So somebody want to
challenge somebody,

426
00:24:45,275 --> 00:24:48,395
everybody stood on
that bridge and you

427
00:24:48,395 --> 00:24:52,790
had verification on
who won to the bridge.

428
00:24:52,790 --> 00:24:57,290
Well, this particular
Saturday night,

429
00:24:57,290 --> 00:25:01,370
I didn't go because me

430
00:25:01,370 --> 00:25:05,420
and my girlfriend at
that time were out late,

431
00:25:05,420 --> 00:25:07,265
so I just went on home.

432
00:25:07,265 --> 00:25:11,030
The next morning, I wake up

433
00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:12,170
and my dad's sitting by

434
00:25:12,170 --> 00:25:15,125
my bed bed looking
down and he says,

435
00:25:15,125 --> 00:25:17,990
"Son. Tell me about it."

436
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:20,195
I said, "What?

437
00:25:20,195 --> 00:25:24,935
I'm innocent this time. What
are you talking about?"

438
00:25:24,935 --> 00:25:30,035
He says, "Cooks dead and
I know you were there."

439
00:25:30,035 --> 00:25:32,480
Cook was the nickname,

440
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,495
I don't even know his real
name. I can't remember.

441
00:25:35,495 --> 00:25:39,690
But he had a new Satellite,

442
00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:44,090
Chrysler, what it
was, Chrysler Plano,

443
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:46,385
and this other guy in town had

444
00:25:46,385 --> 00:25:53,525
a ridge Chevy super sport

445
00:25:53,525 --> 00:25:55,520
Chevelle that had been

446
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,120
boss dog in town
until the Satellite,

447
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,535
Cook bought the Satellite,

448
00:26:01,535 --> 00:26:09,260
and it took me a good week
to find out or to get

449
00:26:09,260 --> 00:26:12,800
somebody that would really
tell me what happened.

450
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,180
And what really happened
was is that they went out

451
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:23,090
to see which car was the
fastest, and thank goodness,

452
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:31,460
Cook let his girlfriend out
on the bridge and went off,

453
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:32,915
well, anyway, he outran,

454
00:26:32,915 --> 00:26:37,295
as they said, he outran
the the Chevy Chevelle,

455
00:26:37,295 --> 00:26:40,280
but he got in front of it
and was going to show out

456
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,850
and just pull over in front
of him like he passed him,

457
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:45,470
but as I told you,

458
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:47,570
'75 hadn't been finished,

459
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:49,025
the shoulders hadn't been there.

460
00:26:49,025 --> 00:26:52,715
It was a six inch drop on
the shoulders he ran off.

461
00:26:52,715 --> 00:26:56,975
He ran off on the
road, on the shoulder,

462
00:26:56,975 --> 00:26:58,640
pulled it back in the highway,

463
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,330
they said, which he
overdrove, anyway,

464
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:04,580
it turned sideways,
flipped threw him

465
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:07,235
out and ran over him and
flipped on top of him,

466
00:27:07,235 --> 00:27:09,815
and then when it came to rest,

467
00:27:09,815 --> 00:27:12,840
the car was on top of him.

468
00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:21,990
Bridge had come down and
drove the car under road.

469
00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:25,280
But I was not a part of that.

470
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,390
Did not have anything
to do with it.

471
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:31,970
But that was a drag strip
when I was growing up.

472
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:33,380
It was a good one too.

473
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:35,120
>> Did they close
down the drag strip

474
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,910
after that or monitor it more?

475
00:27:37,910 --> 00:27:43,250
>> Yeah. That was the end
of the drag racing now too.

476
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:44,560
>> Okay.

477
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,050
>> How has the community
changed since you were a child?

478
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:53,285
>> Well, it's funny,

479
00:27:53,285 --> 00:27:58,565
people ask me where I'm
from and I tell them,

480
00:27:58,565 --> 00:28:01,850
a little town halfway between
Atlanta and Chattanooga

481
00:28:01,850 --> 00:28:05,900
that when I was real small,

482
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:09,230
I remember operating
some blacksmith shop.

483
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:12,040
It was right between the two
towns [inaudible] between

484
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:22,665
the little billows,

485
00:28:22,665 --> 00:28:26,375
fire up the horses shoes, shoe

486
00:28:26,375 --> 00:28:28,895
the horses and the mules there.

487
00:28:28,895 --> 00:28:31,025
Well, the last time

488
00:28:31,025 --> 00:28:33,560
the Atlanta telephone
exchange moved

489
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,740
out 15 or so years ago,

490
00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:38,465
it took in a dash.

491
00:28:38,465 --> 00:28:40,655
So my lifetime, I've seen

492
00:28:40,655 --> 00:28:43,345
my hometown come from

493
00:28:43,345 --> 00:28:47,140
one-horse waging town to
Metropolitan Atlanta.

494
00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:49,360
So I don't know if that

495
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,745
answers your question,
but it's nothing.

496
00:28:51,745 --> 00:28:55,280
It's it's suburb of Atlanta now.

497
00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:01,040
>> What else did
you do for fun as

498
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,330
a teenager in Adairsville

499
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:04,280
besides drag race, your crimes?

500
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,090
[LAUGHTER]

501
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:06,740
>> Well, I was older than that.

502
00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:10,460
Come down to the creek and
throw rocks at water monsters.

503
00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:14,390
[LAUGHTER]

504
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:19,640
We'll go up to the depot and
watch them load the freight.

505
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,800
That was big stuff
on Friday night.

506
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,180
[LAUGHTER]

507
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:29,700
Lordy mercy. What did we do?

508
00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:35,680
The swimming pool, as
I've already covered,

509
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,930
the scout hut,

510
00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:42,450
we rode bicycles everywhere
back in those days,

511
00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:44,420
that was a way of
transportation.

512
00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:47,240
I'm not sure kids
still ride bikes

513
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,345
now and they go on
mountain bikes and trails,

514
00:29:50,345 --> 00:29:53,400
we rode them everywhere.

515
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:03,200
It's a way of life.
I really don't know,

516
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,310
other than the big thing
was school activities and

517
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:12,240
church activities because we
didn't have anything else,

518
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:17,525
skate rink, which we did skate,

519
00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:21,060
but we skated on the streets.

520
00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:24,830
>> What would you
do with the church?

521
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:34,880
>> Just different activities.
Can't remember now.

522
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,150
Well, social have
social activities.

523
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:44,405
Get together and tell stories.

524
00:30:44,405 --> 00:30:47,000
I can't tell you anything

525
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,750
big specifically, quite frankly.

526
00:30:50,750 --> 00:31:00,620
But school and church was
about the only organizers,

527
00:31:00,620 --> 00:31:04,235
I guess, group activities.

528
00:31:04,235 --> 00:31:07,820
>> So your father
opened Penfield Chanel?

529
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:10,475
What was Penfield Chanel?

530
00:31:10,475 --> 00:31:13,175
>> Chanel it made

531
00:31:13,175 --> 00:31:16,880
Chanel bed spreads
back in the old days,

532
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,150
Chanel bed spreads
was the thing,

533
00:31:21,610 --> 00:31:24,755
especially ones
with the overlay,

534
00:31:24,755 --> 00:31:27,470
you may have heard the
term Peacock Alley,

535
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:34,700
which runs from probably
Chattanooga to Atlanta

536
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,355
and back in the old days

537
00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:44,165
before testing machine
during the Depression era,

538
00:31:44,165 --> 00:31:51,115
they just sheets of cloths

539
00:31:51,115 --> 00:31:58,390
and yarn out to the
farmers and rural people.

540
00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:04,160
And the whole family
would stitch the yarn

541
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,190
through the yardage and

542
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:09,770
then cut the map
and make it fuzzy.

543
00:32:09,770 --> 00:32:15,800
And that's what Chanel and
that's the way they say

544
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,110
that a lot of people
were starved during

545
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:22,070
the Depression had it not
been for Chanel in that area.

546
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,305
And then, of course,

547
00:32:24,305 --> 00:32:27,905
the tufting machines came
along and make this all

548
00:32:27,905 --> 00:32:32,885
mechanized and this was
the full runner to carpet.

549
00:32:32,885 --> 00:32:36,050
And that's the reason carpet
is this is the center

550
00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:38,975
of the carpet manufacturer
of the world.

551
00:32:38,975 --> 00:32:41,480
There's only
difference in Chanel

552
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,190
and carpet is car carpet,

553
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:46,115
you don't cut the
map. It stays low.

554
00:32:46,115 --> 00:32:52,010
But the same technology
basically applies.

555
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:58,685
And dad got in on the
tail end of Chanel.

556
00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:05,000
I say Chanel went out and
probably the late 70s.

557
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,940
He sold out and retired in '75.

558
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:13,985
>> How old were you
when it opened?

559
00:33:13,985 --> 00:33:16,580
>> I was in third grade,

560
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:22,920
so I was nine or 10 years
old and didn't like it.

561
00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:25,880
Because he and my mother had

562
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,075
the Little Rock Cafe
right downtown,

563
00:33:29,075 --> 00:33:31,550
which is the buildings
still there,

564
00:33:31,550 --> 00:33:33,950
but it's not there,
the little rock

565
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:36,020
still there, which
is a big rock.

566
00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:38,660
If you know where the
police station is,

567
00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:42,305
the building right
across 41 from me.

568
00:33:42,305 --> 00:33:44,240
You'll know it by the big rocks

569
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,465
on coming out of
the porch there.

570
00:33:47,465 --> 00:33:52,100
And I like the cafe because
it made me real popular with

571
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:53,960
all my buddies
because I can go get

572
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,545
free candy, and goodies.

573
00:33:57,545 --> 00:34:02,250
And when he built the plant,

574
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,710
he sold the cafe, of course,

575
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:08,120
and I didn't have

576
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,340
any trade tradability with

577
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:13,440
Chanel bed spread
[LAUGHTER] Yeah.

578
00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:18,545
>> Was Penfield
Chanel successful?

579
00:34:18,545 --> 00:34:22,410
>> Yes. Very much
so. Very much so.

580
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:26,090
When I say say that,
I mean, like I said,

581
00:34:26,090 --> 00:34:28,805
he operated until '75 when he

582
00:34:28,805 --> 00:34:31,790
sold out and retired enjoyed

583
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:34,670
a 29 year retirement
office income

584
00:34:34,670 --> 00:34:38,090
he made out or money
he made out of it.

585
00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:41,000
But again, the Chanel was

586
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,045
dying out and carpeting
was coming in.

587
00:34:44,045 --> 00:34:45,260
That's reason he sold out

588
00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:48,275
because he at his
age, he was 62.

589
00:34:48,275 --> 00:34:51,530
He didn't want to read
too because it did

590
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:54,890
require, different
tacking machines.

591
00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:56,930
So he would have to make

592
00:34:56,930 --> 00:35:01,565
a sizable investment
back into it to do that,

593
00:35:01,565 --> 00:35:05,580
and he was at the time
of retirement anyway.

594
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,400
>> How did Penfield Chanel
affect the local economy?

595
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,180
>> By was one of the the
three largest employers

596
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:17,660
of town Penfield Chanel,

597
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:21,470
Carmen Chanel, and Chalkers was

598
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:29,310
only three plants in Dashville.

599
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,670
It didn't have the impact that

600
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:38,980
the Peaches did at the
turn of the century,

601
00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:44,000
but he employed, I
think, about 60 people.

602
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,235
>> What are some of
your memories growing

603
00:35:48,235 --> 00:35:50,950
up around Penfield Chanel?

604
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:57,836
>> Sleep in the damn
the floors [LAUGHTER]

605
00:35:57,836 --> 00:36:01,940
Well, yes, I swept floors.

606
00:36:01,940 --> 00:36:09,620
I folded bed spreads,
took them to the laundry.

607
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:15,365
Dad's partner was Vernon Carmen
that owned Carmen Chanel.

608
00:36:15,365 --> 00:36:17,720
So really, when you put
the two of them together,

609
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:21,090
they were the biggest
employers by far.

610
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:26,690
The laundry was out at Carmen.

611
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:31,160
So all of the spreads had
to be taken transported out

612
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:37,040
there to get bleached and
dyed and then of course,

613
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,365
dried and then brought back for

614
00:36:39,365 --> 00:36:42,995
folding packaging and shipping.

615
00:36:42,995 --> 00:36:48,035
And I rode I have maxed up.

616
00:36:48,035 --> 00:36:50,225
He still alive. I
can't believe that.

617
00:36:50,225 --> 00:36:54,530
He drove the truck, the big
old box truck that we carried

618
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:59,255
all those bed spreads out there.

619
00:36:59,255 --> 00:37:01,865
And I really liked him.

620
00:37:01,865 --> 00:37:03,410
Because he wouldn't squeal on

621
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:05,900
me for sneaking and
smoking cigarettes.

622
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:13,010
[LAUGHTER]

623
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:16,640
In fact, the only thing
that can remember getting

624
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,875
a whipping mostly sneaking,
smoking cigarettes.

625
00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:23,420
I'm going to smoke cigarettes,

626
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:25,505
and they were held be
them and I wasn't.

627
00:37:25,505 --> 00:37:31,325
That was our clash with my
mother then me bad boy.

628
00:37:31,325 --> 00:37:38,370
As always the black sheep
in my family anyway.

629
00:37:39,850 --> 00:37:43,400
But I worked in the like I said,

630
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,180
the shipping department when
I say work, I helped in it.

631
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:50,975
I never worked, never drove
a pay check out of place.

632
00:37:50,975 --> 00:37:53,510
Well, I think I made some
money out of it, though,

633
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:56,585
but I I did vending
without a vending machine.

634
00:37:56,585 --> 00:37:58,130
It was on a linear system.

635
00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:00,320
I make up sandwiches and go

636
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,455
by Wordington wholesale grocery,

637
00:38:03,455 --> 00:38:06,170
pick up candy buy the box,

638
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:07,580
and put it out and I sold

639
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:10,490
candy extension of
my Kool aid stand.

640
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:14,270
[LAUGHTER]

641
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:17,670
>> Can you tell us about
your father's cut buckshot?

642
00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:25,355
>> Not really. [LAUGHTER]
Buckshot I had already I mean,

643
00:38:25,355 --> 00:38:27,230
I've I've gone I'd left

644
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:29,600
home when when
Buckshot came along.

645
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,520
The article, I believe
I gave you there

646
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,025
shows it 66, I believe it was.

647
00:38:34,025 --> 00:38:36,785
Right there. I was on the way.

648
00:38:36,785 --> 00:38:40,700
But the story behind
Buckshot is a lamb

649
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:45,065
that his mother rejected.

650
00:38:45,065 --> 00:38:48,320
And he and mother picked

651
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,710
the thing up and
fed it by a bottle.

652
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:57,050
And it was like a puppy to him.

653
00:38:57,050 --> 00:39:00,110
I mean, followed him
around everywhere he'd go.

654
00:39:00,110 --> 00:39:02,825
He took it to the
office with him

655
00:39:02,825 --> 00:39:06,410
Rome paper came over

656
00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:09,170
and did an article
and took a picture.

657
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:11,330
That that article I
gave you didn't have

658
00:39:11,330 --> 00:39:12,290
the picture because that's

659
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:15,975
just a anniversary 50th
anniversary of it.

660
00:39:15,975 --> 00:39:19,910
But he was the only mayor

661
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:25,170
in the state that took a
lamb to work with him.

662
00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:29,540
>> When was your
father elected mayor?

663
00:39:29,540 --> 00:39:31,520
>> That's a good question.

664
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,535
It was early '60s.

665
00:39:34,535 --> 00:39:37,670
In fact, neither
me nor my sister.

666
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:41,030
I called her last night
to find those dates.

667
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:46,850
It had to be in the '62
'63 era for his first.

668
00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:52,310
And I remember the hearing
that he served eight years.

669
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:55,475
So from the early '60s
to the late '60s.

670
00:39:55,475 --> 00:39:57,725
Middle '60s was his term.

671
00:39:57,725 --> 00:40:00,740
>> Did he ever talk about

672
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:02,120
the things he wanted to achieve

673
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,670
for Dashville asked the mayor?

674
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:12,305
>> Yeah. He he was very
business positive.

675
00:40:12,305 --> 00:40:14,880
He wanted to track.

676
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,100
He was a progressive
in that respect.

677
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,830
In fact, the industrial park out

678
00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:26,395
between the new one
out close to 75.

679
00:40:26,395 --> 00:40:30,255
He was instrumental in
getting that built.

680
00:40:30,255 --> 00:40:32,870
And I'm sorry, I can't give you

681
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:36,240
the people's names
and so forth there.

682
00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:46,550
And he wanted quality too.

683
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:47,750
That was one of the things.

684
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:50,840
I remember you know saying he
didn't want just a bunch of

685
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,800
junk businesses in town.

686
00:40:57,220 --> 00:41:00,560
And I remember him
telling me about roads

687
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,400
and I didn't realize
that at the time,

688
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,655
but about roads and
what you saw coming in,

689
00:41:07,655 --> 00:41:10,550
all the curbs and sidewalks He

690
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:15,060
said curves and sidewalks cost
just as much as the roads.

691
00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:19,835
If that's the reason
where we don't have

692
00:41:19,835 --> 00:41:21,650
curves and sidewalks everywhere.

693
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:25,770
[LAUGHTER] Roads came first.

694
00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:29,600
>> How did his service as mayor

695
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,850
affect your life in Dashville?

696
00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:34,950
>> Not a great deal.

697
00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:46,730
In fact, I can't can't say
anybody held it against me,

698
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:49,790
but I mean I had enough
respect for him,

699
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:52,700
but I wasn't going to show
my fanny unless I just

700
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:57,900
had to [LAUGHTER] around.

701
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:01,090
Like I said, I had
a couple of slips

702
00:42:01,090 --> 00:42:02,980
[LAUGHTER]

703
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:07,190
but recovered in both of them.

704
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,810
You want me to tell
you the worst one?

705
00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:12,560
>> Yes.

706
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,210
>> I can't tell you the dates
on that because I was 16

707
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:24,010
and which would have been '62,

708
00:42:24,010 --> 00:42:26,065
I guess that would be '63.

709
00:42:26,065 --> 00:42:27,970
No, it had to be '63.

710
00:42:27,970 --> 00:42:31,570
And I was driving

711
00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:37,960
the family car and I had
one of my buddies that,

712
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,060
in fact, his name
is Sonny Parker.

713
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:43,000
He turned eventually
or at one time

714
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,180
was a policeman [inaudible] way

715
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:48,505
after what I was
going to tell you.

716
00:42:48,505 --> 00:42:50,830
And then a buddy of mine,

717
00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:53,650
we were out just riding around.

718
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:57,760
He was a basketball player and

719
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,370
the bus left at six o'clock
to go to our town game.

720
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:05,800
So we just gave it time.

721
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,605
We were going down
Hall Station Road.

722
00:43:09,605 --> 00:43:14,455
And all of a sudden Mike Kamp

723
00:43:14,455 --> 00:43:16,470
another buddy of us
which wasn't but

724
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:18,915
15 years old by the way.

725
00:43:18,915 --> 00:43:21,180
He comes by us in

726
00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:30,340
a '57 motor mobile just to
fly, trying to [inaudible].

727
00:43:30,340 --> 00:43:35,140
His father owned a used car
lot over on the highway.

728
00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:39,370
He got this car off the car lot,

729
00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:41,410
new four barrel carburetors

730
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,120
380 engines, da, da, da, da.

731
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,670
He says, come on, take a ride.

732
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:48,590
So we jumped in the
car, of course.

733
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:53,995
So Sonny in the center
and I'm on the side.

734
00:43:53,995 --> 00:43:57,670
He floorboards that thing
and I mean just burns

735
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:59,410
rubber up to the
top of that hill as

736
00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:01,675
we press the top of the hill,

737
00:44:01,675 --> 00:44:05,410
Georgia State Patrol meets us.

738
00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:09,355
And I looked around

739
00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:12,295
and I see the State Patrol just

740
00:44:12,295 --> 00:44:14,785
hit shoulder and just
made it, it looked.

741
00:44:14,785 --> 00:44:16,810
The dirt throwing up looked like

742
00:44:16,810 --> 00:44:19,720
a ski from a boat on the thing.

743
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:22,990
I said, man, he's coming.

744
00:44:22,990 --> 00:44:27,170
And Mike said, he'd
just floorboard.

745
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,005
We came down Park Street,

746
00:44:32,005 --> 00:44:33,220
turned right on Park Street,

747
00:44:33,220 --> 00:44:37,310
came down where San Susy
Club is right there.

748
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,950
Running two cars off the
road, by the way on that.

749
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:45,775
He threw that thing into
a slide to take a right,

750
00:44:45,775 --> 00:44:48,520
right there go down
the railroad track.

751
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:54,520
You can see where they dug
up asphalt way after that.

752
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,785
We went down through Sander's,

753
00:44:56,785 --> 00:44:59,710
hit the dirt road
thinking we could shake

754
00:44:59,710 --> 00:45:01,090
him off the dirt road.

755
00:45:01,090 --> 00:45:03,055
Couldn't shake him.

756
00:45:03,055 --> 00:45:05,200
This thing went on
for 45 minutes.

757
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,150
It was over the radio station

758
00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:09,250
and [inaudible] where
they were broadcasting,

759
00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:10,630
stay away from this area.

760
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:11,200
[LAUGHTER]

761
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,280
Stay back.

762
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:17,920
The brakes got so hot,

763
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,315
there was no brakes.

764
00:45:19,315 --> 00:45:21,865
He would come into
where we wrong turned,

765
00:45:21,865 --> 00:45:24,085
he just stowed the thing
and slide into it,

766
00:45:24,085 --> 00:45:27,640
we'd hit the ditch on the
other side of the thing.

767
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,260
He got it and come back and

768
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:31,690
hit on right that
straightens up and we go.

769
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:34,660
Well one of the heels

770
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:39,400
there it took the back
bumpers and let them out.

771
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,320
When we figured out
we couldn't shake him

772
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,070
on the dirt road,

773
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:47,980
we hit over 41 coming
back into town.

774
00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:50,740
That's where they clocked this
is over 120 miles an hour.

775
00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:56,540
[inaudible] took a left.

776
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,610
I can't think of Chestnut
Street, I believe it was.

777
00:46:00,610 --> 00:46:03,235
Went back across the
railroad, took a left,

778
00:46:03,235 --> 00:46:05,740
went back out because

779
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:09,010
we figured if we could get
to what we call Funder Road,

780
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:12,400
it's a logging road
over on the mountain,

781
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,260
we maybe shake him there.

782
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,730
And this road that
we're going south is

783
00:46:18,730 --> 00:46:22,270
parallel with my home street,

784
00:46:22,270 --> 00:46:23,860
Main Street and railroad.

785
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:30,205
[NOISE] And logging this

786
00:46:30,205 --> 00:46:33,445
just holding on
because whatever.

787
00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:36,700
If we hit anything.
There's S curve

788
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:41,815
though and [inaudible]
farm is in that S curve.

789
00:46:41,815 --> 00:46:45,140
Bob wire fence all along there.

790
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:48,760
I hear a bump and I
look out and I see

791
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,355
a wheel and tire just going out,

792
00:46:51,355 --> 00:46:53,605
the right front wheel tire

793
00:46:53,605 --> 00:46:56,230
which sheared off
the lowest turf.

794
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:57,700
The car went into

795
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:00,790
that bob wire fence and we

796
00:47:00,790 --> 00:47:02,140
were shearing down poles like

797
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:04,030
picket fence because
we were traveling,

798
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:05,740
I mean, we were probably hit

799
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:08,260
hitting a good 80 to
100 miles an hour.

800
00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:11,890
And it just [NOISE]
and they had put up

801
00:47:11,890 --> 00:47:15,600
a new telephone pole
and how dirt they

802
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,820
mound up around and the car

803
00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:19,950
came up and rested on that dirt.

804
00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:23,860
It been up 100 feet, I
wouldn't be here today.

805
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,635
We didn't know that
we had outrun.

806
00:47:29,635 --> 00:47:33,610
So we thought that they
were based on top end.

807
00:47:33,610 --> 00:47:35,440
This thing was
geared for top end.

808
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,595
We had walked off.

809
00:47:36,595 --> 00:47:39,070
It took five minutes
for him to come,

810
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:40,645
for the cops to get there.

811
00:47:40,645 --> 00:47:43,430
And Lord, when they did,

812
00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:49,960
there was more than
one I tell you.

813
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:49,961
[LAUGHTER]

814
00:47:49,961 --> 00:47:52,630
And the back tires were in

815
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:54,580
the ditch and the waters

816
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:55,825
in the ditch and
they were so hot,

817
00:47:55,825 --> 00:47:58,795
there's steam coming off
of it, all that stuff.

818
00:47:58,795 --> 00:48:04,300
You remember my
father's also the chief

819
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:07,360
of the volunteer fire
department at the time.

820
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,090
Well, they, the police
were not kind with us.

821
00:48:13,090 --> 00:48:15,310
Obviously, they were very upset.

822
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:19,870
They threw us in the back
seat of that police car.

823
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:22,645
If it had been open
on the other side,

824
00:48:22,645 --> 00:48:24,220
I'd just gone home through.

825
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:24,880
[LAUGHTER]

826
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,660
We're sitting there in

827
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:29,095
the backside and I look up,

828
00:48:29,095 --> 00:48:33,640
here comes that green
Chevy pickup truck

829
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,760
across railroad
tracks, my father.

830
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:45,175
He comes up. He'd
come home from work

831
00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:48,460
and heard commotion
and saw the steam

832
00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:52,570
and all this stuff and he
come check out the tire.

833
00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:54,610
And I'll never forget him.

834
00:48:54,610 --> 00:48:58,240
He parks and he just
nonchalant like da,

835
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,560
da, da, da what's going
on and everything.

836
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,930
And there's a police
chief goes over,

837
00:49:04,930 --> 00:49:07,285
whispers up to him.

838
00:49:07,285 --> 00:49:10,945
And a [LAUGHTER] look
come on his face.

839
00:49:10,945 --> 00:49:12,730
He turned and looked down.

840
00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:12,910
[LAUGHTER]

841
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:17,695
[inaudible] and he
turns out like,

842
00:49:17,695 --> 00:49:29,450
oh, well. That was not
the best time in my life.

843
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:34,150
But it worked me.

844
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:37,270
I was just aiding
in the [inaudible].

845
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:37,271
[LAUGHTER]

846
00:49:37,271 --> 00:49:38,440
That's what they charged me

847
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,690
and Sonny Parker anyway.

848
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:44,830
We had to write I
forgotten, I think,

849
00:49:44,830 --> 00:49:46,960
it's a 1,000 word thing on

850
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,170
the dangers of riding with
an unlicensed driver.

851
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:56,440
How far in the jail house would

852
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,420
you be today if you did
something like that?

853
00:49:58,420 --> 00:49:59,080
[LAUGHTER]

854
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,040
Of course, no.

855
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,930
Mike had to do the same,

856
00:50:01,930 --> 00:50:03,190
but his daddy got

857
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:07,105
really fined for letting
him have that car.

858
00:50:07,105 --> 00:50:11,840
Oh, well.

859
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,530
>> What are your memories as

860
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:18,140
a child or young
adult of the Depot?

861
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,905
>> Going watching the freight
[LAUGHTER] believe that.

862
00:50:23,905 --> 00:50:27,670
Well, I actually rode one of

863
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:32,475
the passenger trains to Atlanta.

864
00:50:32,475 --> 00:50:35,610
But I'm going to tell you I
was so young at the thing,

865
00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:37,790
I just barely remember.

866
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:41,275
I know you asked about
segregation. I don't remember.

867
00:50:41,275 --> 00:50:42,625
And I asked my sister,

868
00:50:42,625 --> 00:50:44,665
she doesn't remember
any segregating

869
00:50:44,665 --> 00:50:46,405
waiting room there either.

870
00:50:46,405 --> 00:50:48,980
It could have been
there but I don't know.

871
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:54,470
She remembered it was $3
to go to Atlanta though.

872
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:58,470
That was big money
back in those days.

873
00:50:58,470 --> 00:51:01,450
Big money back those days.

874
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:06,040
>> Your father is
credited for saving

875
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,175
the Depot from demolition,
how did that happen?

876
00:51:09,175 --> 00:51:14,520
>> Well, when the railroad

877
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,545
abandoned the Depot and
that wasn't stages.

878
00:51:19,545 --> 00:51:21,015
They stopped the passenger

879
00:51:21,015 --> 00:51:23,160
train business back in the '50s,

880
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:30,640
but it still stayed as
a freight depot up,

881
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,665
gosh, had to be into
the '60s, maybe '70s.

882
00:51:35,665 --> 00:51:39,535
I'm not sure. No, it
had to be in the '60s.

883
00:51:39,535 --> 00:51:45,160
Anyway, Dad heard that they
were going, of course,.

884
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,820
He shipped out a lot of the
bed spreads out of that

885
00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:53,215
so that when they advised
him of that, he asked, well,

886
00:51:53,215 --> 00:51:57,805
if they would lease it to
him for use for warehouse

887
00:51:57,805 --> 00:52:04,370
and space for storage of his
raw materials, which he did.

888
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:10,030
Then as I said,

889
00:52:10,030 --> 00:52:11,980
he sold out the plant,

890
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:14,775
but before he did that

891
00:52:14,775 --> 00:52:18,465
he and my mother had been
dabbling in antiques.

892
00:52:18,465 --> 00:52:20,565
My sister and I
called it the junk,

893
00:52:20,565 --> 00:52:23,835
to go to the auction and
bring home all this junk.

894
00:52:23,835 --> 00:52:30,535
I remember Chip n Dale said
they brought home in pieces.

895
00:52:30,535 --> 00:52:32,650
And we just thought
it was a junk.

896
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:38,175
And then later I found
out what junk would work.

897
00:52:38,175 --> 00:52:41,850
But anyway, when he retired,

898
00:52:41,850 --> 00:52:48,055
he sold out the
plant and retired,

899
00:52:48,055 --> 00:52:50,980
he and mother used the plant or

900
00:52:50,980 --> 00:52:55,150
the depot for storage
of all their antiques.

901
00:52:55,150 --> 00:52:58,570
And they opened up

902
00:52:58,570 --> 00:53:03,170
a little antique shop called
the General Antique Shop.

903
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:07,690
I don't believe they
had regular hours.

904
00:53:07,690 --> 00:53:10,630
You have to know when they move

905
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:13,810
to do but they would open it up

906
00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:16,540
for like the festival
this past weekend

907
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:20,650
or it was in special occasions.

908
00:53:20,650 --> 00:53:27,190
And they ran that
until I'm not sure

909
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:29,500
when they actually
turned it over to

910
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:34,030
the city which turned it
into a museum, of course.

911
00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:38,710
But when their health
started failing,

912
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:45,500
which would been 20 years
ago, I guess, roughly.

913
00:53:48,540 --> 00:53:54,010
Mother passed away in
'02 and dad in '03.

914
00:53:54,010 --> 00:53:59,690
So I'd say about 20 years ago
is when they dated it over.

915
00:53:59,940 --> 00:54:02,425
When I say dated it over,

916
00:54:02,425 --> 00:54:07,445
it was one of these
99-year leases for,

917
00:54:07,445 --> 00:54:09,805
I think it was $100 a year.

918
00:54:09,805 --> 00:54:11,800
I'm not sure about that,

919
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:17,560
wasn't much money
involved [inaudible]

920
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,680
>> What was the town's reaction
to the depot being saved?

921
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,730
>> Nobody cared back

922
00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:26,545
in those days about
something like this.

923
00:54:26,545 --> 00:54:28,000
It's like here in Canton.

924
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,545
The one in Canton was
at the same time,

925
00:54:32,545 --> 00:54:35,425
and it was just tore
down, called off,

926
00:54:35,425 --> 00:54:39,940
gone, but little towns
like Adairsville

927
00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:41,035
here in Holly Springs,

928
00:54:41,035 --> 00:54:43,945
they turned this one into a
really nice, little place.

929
00:54:43,945 --> 00:54:46,390
So at the time, ma'am,

930
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:48,430
I assume you're asking

931
00:54:48,430 --> 00:54:50,710
the question about
the time when they

932
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:55,180
did that, nobody cared.

933
00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:57,725
What was they going
to do with it?

934
00:54:57,725 --> 00:55:02,230
Didn't have the vision,
but my dad did.

935
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:07,870
By the way, there's one story.

936
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:10,995
Go ahead and finish
with for this.

937
00:55:10,995 --> 00:55:12,060
>> You go ahead.

938
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:16,850
>> No. About the bell?

939
00:55:16,850 --> 00:55:21,470
>> Go ahead. Talk
talk about the bell.

940
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:26,410
>> When dad was
building the plant,

941
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:30,490
it was located on
city property he

942
00:55:30,490 --> 00:55:34,210
bought where the old courthouse

943
00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:36,955
and their maintenance shit was.

944
00:55:36,955 --> 00:55:39,520
In fact, old courthouse
that's over now,

945
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,960
and straight that was where
dad's office is right now.

946
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,435
That front part of
Penfield Chanel,

947
00:55:46,435 --> 00:55:47,920
that's where that building was.

948
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,530
They moved it over
there to save it.

949
00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:51,760
The old maintenance shit,

950
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,140
which was behind it,

951
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:56,320
they didn't save it because
there was nothing to save,

952
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,690
but that's where
all the water works

953
00:55:58,690 --> 00:56:02,620
and city maintenance
kept all their stuff.

954
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:05,140
Well, they started cleaning
that out and moving

955
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:09,640
it and there was a 32-inch bell.

956
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,345
It was the original
fire bell over there.

957
00:56:14,345 --> 00:56:19,110
And because dad was

958
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:22,050
the chief of the volunteer
fire department,

959
00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:25,320
they said, well, Bill, why
don't you take the bell?

960
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,000
And he said, I will.

961
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,955
So he took that bell,

962
00:56:28,955 --> 00:56:33,400
had it moved to our backyard.

963
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,315
I hated that bell growing up.

964
00:56:37,315 --> 00:56:39,370
And the reason being that's

965
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:42,625
what my mother called me with.

966
00:56:42,625 --> 00:56:45,400
So when me and my buddies

967
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,980
was out when we wasn't
supposed to be,

968
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:50,320
they had the convenience

969
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,925
of telling their
mother, we were out.

970
00:56:51,925 --> 00:56:58,810
I didn't hear you
because [inaudible].

971
00:56:58,810 --> 00:57:00,700
I didn't have that privilege
because you can hear

972
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:03,670
that damn bell all over town.

973
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:08,545
The school house, over in
the lumber yard, whatever.

974
00:57:08,545 --> 00:57:14,665
Well, as I said about
20 years ago now

975
00:57:14,665 --> 00:57:17,710
mother and dad was preparing

976
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:21,160
and said we've got our wheel,

977
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,185
but if there's anything you kids

978
00:57:23,185 --> 00:57:26,830
want specifically,
put your name on.

979
00:57:26,830 --> 00:57:30,080
I said, I got to have the bell.

980
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:33,550
So dad said, well,

981
00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:36,190
I know that you're going
to put it in your garden,

982
00:57:36,190 --> 00:57:40,075
which I've got garden
behind the house.

983
00:57:40,075 --> 00:57:43,030
He said, I want you
to take it now,

984
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:44,200
so I can see what you're going

985
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,970
to do with it before I die.

986
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:50,095
So there's a picture of it
over there in the article

987
00:57:50,095 --> 00:57:51,880
that basically that
I've just told

988
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,295
you about the bell
and the garden,

989
00:57:54,295 --> 00:58:00,530
and named the garden
the bell, after it.

990
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,200
>> So you were recently able
to explore Bogle's corner?

991
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,940
What is that?

992
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:09,670
>> Bogle's corner. That's
the corner building

993
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:19,090
, Gilmore and O41.

994
00:58:19,090 --> 00:58:24,180
The old timers
called it Bullneck.

995
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:25,680
Why did they call it hat?

996
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,610
Got bullneck out of that area
right there, I don't now.

997
00:58:29,610 --> 00:58:35,245
Ms. Bogle had a
dress shop there.

998
00:58:35,245 --> 00:58:38,020
She was the only
dress shop in town

999
00:58:38,020 --> 00:58:40,885
from my sister's recollection,

1000
00:58:40,885 --> 00:58:46,990
up until Ms. Keig [phonetic]
put one in in the 50s,

1001
00:58:46,990 --> 00:58:50,260
but Ms. Bogle had

1002
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:55,735
the dress shop and had a
living quarters upstairs.

1003
00:58:55,735 --> 00:58:59,170
And her and her son
lived there and her son

1004
00:58:59,170 --> 00:59:03,310
was grown. I forget.

1005
00:59:03,310 --> 00:59:08,650
He died in I believe '92,

1006
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:10,360
but anyway, he was much

1007
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,785
older than me. He
was a grown man.

1008
00:59:11,785 --> 00:59:15,670
Anyway, they were the
only merchants up there

1009
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:18,160
that had their business and

1010
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,445
their living quarters upstairs.

1011
00:59:21,445 --> 00:59:24,820
And it was always fascinating
go by there at night and

1012
00:59:24,820 --> 00:59:28,495
see the lights on
and you want say,

1013
00:59:28,495 --> 00:59:31,300
what kind of living
quarters up there they got

1014
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:35,320
a penthouse or whatever,
you know how it's like.

1015
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:44,575
It was always I'm wondering
there as a child.

1016
00:59:44,575 --> 00:59:50,660
Well, when Ms. Bogle died
about 40 years ago now,

1017
00:59:50,730 --> 00:59:55,120
Bella, her son moved away,

1018
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,975
I have since found
out over to Ranger,

1019
00:59:58,975 --> 01:00:01,765
Georgia, and lived
out of his life,

1020
01:00:01,765 --> 01:00:07,280
but anyway, they just
boarded up that place,

1021
01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:12,560
didn't take hardly
anything out of it.

1022
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:17,755
And it sat there for
the last 40 years.

1023
01:00:17,755 --> 01:00:22,825
And my nephew, Chuck
Shropshire, was able,

1024
01:00:22,825 --> 01:00:24,820
about a year ago,

1025
01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:29,800
to run down the
[inaudible] and buy it.

1026
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,770
And he asked, what they
wanted to take with him.

1027
01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:35,635
I said, just his
military uniforms

1028
01:00:35,635 --> 01:00:38,155
and left everything else there.

1029
01:00:38,155 --> 01:00:41,965
That's where I went
in with my camera

1030
01:00:41,965 --> 01:00:47,725
and it was like walking
into a time capsule.

1031
01:00:47,725 --> 01:00:49,555
I remember, as a little kid,

1032
01:00:49,555 --> 01:00:52,090
my sister taking
me because that's

1033
01:00:52,090 --> 01:00:55,795
taboo a young boy going
into a dress shop,

1034
01:00:55,795 --> 01:00:58,480
but she dragged me in.

1035
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,680
And I remember the display
case. It's still there.

1036
01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:13,660
The old dress dressing
booth is there.

1037
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:19,370
All kinds of the books

1038
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:23,080
where she'd buy stuff what

1039
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,045
she paid for it, there's
that and the other.

1040
01:01:25,045 --> 01:01:27,880
There's a lot of
interesting thing.

1041
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,590
Well, if you look

1042
01:01:29,590 --> 01:01:32,560
at the pictures of that
[inaudible] thing,

1043
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:38,725
it's that time a nice
little apartment up there.

1044
01:01:38,725 --> 01:01:39,820
And that's, of course, ran

1045
01:01:39,820 --> 01:01:43,910
down not at just
today's standards.

1046
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,870
Nice, sharp, little place.

1047
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:50,050
Bella himself was
a photographer,

1048
01:01:50,050 --> 01:01:52,450
by the way, as we're on this.

1049
01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:58,760
And I went through
photographs of his,

1050
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,840
got some interesting pictures.

1051
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:06,490
Most of them were

1052
01:02:06,490 --> 01:02:12,370
portraits and there
was a few gun shots.

1053
01:02:12,370 --> 01:02:21,010
[inaudible].

1054
01:02:21,010 --> 01:02:26,390
>> But they would
be rated G now.

1055
01:02:30,090 --> 01:02:37,970
And he had some eight
and 16 millimeter films.

1056
01:02:37,970 --> 01:02:42,400
I took some of these eights
and had them digitized.

1057
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,965
He was a lot better

1058
01:02:44,965 --> 01:02:48,880
still photographer than he
was a motion photographer.

1059
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,780
The only one that was
of of any interest was

1060
01:02:52,780 --> 01:02:57,070
a film station fire.

1061
01:02:57,070 --> 01:02:59,440
And I put it on, and in fact,

1062
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,100
it's on my group.

1063
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,050
And best anybody can

1064
01:03:05,050 --> 01:03:07,345
figure out it wasn't
in Adairsville,

1065
01:03:07,345 --> 01:03:09,490
we think it was on

1066
01:03:09,490 --> 01:03:13,105
O41 Highway in Acworth,
and really interesting.

1067
01:03:13,105 --> 01:03:15,880
The other one was his
vacation pictures

1068
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,540
in Silver Spring, Florida.

1069
01:03:22,350 --> 01:03:27,865
And one of them was just
a video in a funeral.

1070
01:03:27,865 --> 01:03:31,210
Now, that's still shot fine,

1071
01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:36,740
but not just taking a picture
of a casket back and forth.

1072
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:46,670
All I can say, but Bogle's
was a unique little place.

1073
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,600
>> What does your nephew
plan to do with it?

1074
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,235
He wants to develop it,

1075
01:03:53,235 --> 01:04:00,550
but I really can't say
because he's bought

1076
01:04:00,550 --> 01:04:01,840
the building next to it and

1077
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:08,120
he's negotiating for the two
buildings next to those two.

1078
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,965
He's trying to buy
that whole block,

1079
01:04:11,965 --> 01:04:15,820
I think, based on
what he's told me,

1080
01:04:15,820 --> 01:04:21,400
and do shops and so
forth, and so on,

1081
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:22,750
but he's still out to

1082
01:04:22,750 --> 01:04:25,295
lunch really on what
to do with them,

1083
01:04:25,295 --> 01:04:27,610
but it's in good hands anyway.

1084
01:04:27,610 --> 01:04:29,630
It's not going to go away.

1085
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,530
>> How did your
family's involvement

1086
01:04:32,530 --> 01:04:33,700
in the shaping of the city of

1087
01:04:33,700 --> 01:04:35,650
Adairsville in the recent past

1088
01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:38,150
affect you and your career?

1089
01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:47,570
>> Really, the only thing

1090
01:04:47,570 --> 01:04:51,740
that affected my career is I
got out of the little town.

1091
01:04:51,740 --> 01:04:54,830
When you're growing
up in Mayberry,

1092
01:04:54,830 --> 01:04:58,730
the only opportunity there

1093
01:04:58,730 --> 01:05:00,200
would have been to
go to work with

1094
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,360
my dad at the mill plant,

1095
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,990
and I wasn't about to do
that, be a lint head.

1096
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:08,240
When I'm saying lint head,

1097
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,460
when you worked
with all that lint

1098
01:05:10,460 --> 01:05:12,425
and the women who
worked in there,

1099
01:05:12,425 --> 01:05:17,165
at the end of the work day,
they were white headed.

1100
01:05:17,165 --> 01:05:19,895
As they clocked out,

1101
01:05:19,895 --> 01:05:26,945
they'd get the old blow gun
to blow out all the lint.

1102
01:05:26,945 --> 01:05:31,565
So I had to get out and

1103
01:05:31,565 --> 01:05:33,890
get to Atlanta as fast

1104
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:37,020
as I can because that
was promised land.

1105
01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:40,910
Went to Southern Tech,

1106
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:42,590
Southern Poly now,

1107
01:05:42,590 --> 01:05:45,210
for a couple of years.

1108
01:05:46,030 --> 01:05:48,530
>> KSU now?

1109
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:53,535
>> Yeah. Excuse me.
I'm sorry. Excuse me.

1110
01:05:53,535 --> 01:05:56,080
I can't keep up with everything,

1111
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,930
can't keep up with players
with that scorecard.

1112
01:05:58,930 --> 01:06:04,370
We found that my talent was in

1113
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:10,415
sales and went from insurance,

1114
01:06:10,415 --> 01:06:13,955
some securities to just

1115
01:06:13,955 --> 01:06:18,080
tripped into industrial
supply business.

1116
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:23,210
And February '74,

1117
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:26,960
got my first line represented

1118
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,095
for Hoffman Diamond Products

1119
01:06:30,095 --> 01:06:32,960
and the rest of it is history,

1120
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,145
been in the business ever since.

1121
01:06:37,145 --> 01:06:39,815
Incorporated [inaudible] in '78.

1122
01:06:39,815 --> 01:06:43,865
So we're almost 40 years old.

1123
01:06:43,865 --> 01:06:47,345
And I ain't got sense enough to

1124
01:06:47,345 --> 01:06:51,600
lay it down. Still enjoy it.

1125
01:06:54,220 --> 01:06:57,815
>> So when did you
leave Adairsville?

1126
01:06:57,815 --> 01:07:05,450
>> I left back when I left
to Southern Tech in '64.

1127
01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:10,010
No, I went back for a
short period of time,

1128
01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:19,170
probably '65, and
left again in '66.

1129
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:23,730
>> How long until you visit?

1130
01:07:23,860 --> 01:07:27,380
>> Well, I still got four
rental houses up there,

1131
01:07:27,380 --> 01:07:28,850
so I have to get up
there pretty often.

1132
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:38,400
>> What do you think
makes Adairsville unique?

1133
01:07:45,340 --> 01:07:50,780
>> What makes it
unique? The lineage,

1134
01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:53,090
I don't know how to determine.

1135
01:07:53,090 --> 01:07:58,640
It's just a halfway point

1136
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,740
between Atlanta and Chattanooga,

1137
01:08:00,740 --> 01:08:03,095
the jumping off spot,

1138
01:08:03,095 --> 01:08:11,880
but what made it
unique to me was just,

1139
01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:15,560
I hate to come back to
this Mayberry thing,

1140
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:16,880
but it was like family.

1141
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:25,410
It was almost like the whole
town was one big family,

1142
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,720
and that was unique to me.

1143
01:08:31,810 --> 01:08:35,135
That just don't happen.
like my wife, well,

1144
01:08:35,135 --> 01:08:42,260
she grew up where she was
born Cornelia, Georgia,

1145
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:44,960
but they, at an early
age moved to Atlanta,

1146
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:50,315
and so she was a
city girl in a way.

1147
01:08:50,315 --> 01:08:53,030
And she really looked at

1148
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:56,000
my background and
where I came up

1149
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:01,850
and all the people
that were neighbors,

1150
01:09:01,850 --> 01:09:04,970
that were involved with us,

1151
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:06,440
and she never had that.

1152
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:12,080
You know so I don't know if
I'm answering that question.

1153
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,510
That's a hard one
to really pinpoint.

1154
01:09:14,510 --> 01:09:17,630
There's so many different points

1155
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:21,210
of the thing to look back on it.

1156
01:09:24,970 --> 01:09:28,730
I don't know. Sorry,
I'm out of words.

1157
01:09:28,730 --> 01:09:30,170
>> I think you described it

1158
01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:33,090
beautifully. You be
honest out there.

1159
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:36,770
>> So you mentioned it a
few times that you manage

1160
01:09:36,770 --> 01:09:38,450
a Facebook page devoted to

1161
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:40,745
the history and heritage
of Adairsville.

1162
01:09:40,745 --> 01:09:43,350
How did you get
started with that?

1163
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,720
>> Going through it, my sister

1164
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,515
didn't have space for
all the stuff after

1165
01:09:51,515 --> 01:09:58,925
we divested all the goods
from our inheritance,

1166
01:09:58,925 --> 01:10:01,610
all the pictures and so forth.

1167
01:10:01,610 --> 01:10:05,190
So I've got them back
here in our warehouse.

1168
01:10:05,190 --> 01:10:08,385
So I started going through
all these pictures.

1169
01:10:08,385 --> 01:10:11,435
Most of them are of people.

1170
01:10:11,435 --> 01:10:14,270
And that's something
that, of course,

1171
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:17,920
nowadays digital
stuff is easy to

1172
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:23,225
[inaudible] to identify people.

1173
01:10:23,225 --> 01:10:26,405
I'll get it out here,
but back in those days,

1174
01:10:26,405 --> 01:10:29,720
they didn't write down
who these people were.

1175
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,090
You just got all
the damn people and

1176
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:35,105
the people that know who
they are already dead.

1177
01:10:35,105 --> 01:10:37,940
That's bad, but anyway,

1178
01:10:37,940 --> 01:10:46,410
in an envelope set
was negatives, 1949.

1179
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:50,120
Most of the pictures that I gave

1180
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,250
you were from those negatives.

1181
01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:53,480
I put them on my scanner,

1182
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:56,375
scanned the things in.

1183
01:10:56,375 --> 01:11:00,710
And they were the houses

1184
01:11:00,710 --> 01:11:04,670
and buildings in
Adairsville at that time.

1185
01:11:04,670 --> 01:11:09,575
The new 41 Highway
had just opened up.

1186
01:11:09,575 --> 01:11:11,810
Well, it actually, I believe,

1187
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:14,420
opened officially in 1950.

1188
01:11:14,420 --> 01:11:17,150
So '49 those service stations

1189
01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:19,160
were out there were brand new,

1190
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,020
just being built out there.

1191
01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:23,810
Anyway, I asked my
sister about it,

1192
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:28,055
and she said that
what the garden club,

1193
01:11:28,055 --> 01:11:31,640
at that time, did
a push to beautify

1194
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,030
the town and mother was
involved with that.

1195
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:37,340
And that's the reason some of

1196
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:39,365
the pictures there will show

1197
01:11:39,365 --> 01:11:41,660
a house before and house

1198
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:45,200
after they renovated
it or cleaned it up.

1199
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,085
So anyway, I was
fascinated with that.

1200
01:11:49,085 --> 01:11:52,130
I said, how many other pictures

1201
01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:54,005
are they out there like that?

1202
01:11:54,005 --> 01:11:57,170
So I created that
group in hopes that

1203
01:11:57,170 --> 01:12:00,530
other people would
do the same as me,

1204
01:12:00,530 --> 01:12:03,740
dig through mother and dad's,

1205
01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:07,440
and grandmother and dad's
pictures and post them.

1206
01:12:08,980 --> 01:12:12,635
There have been some, there's
no question about that,

1207
01:12:12,635 --> 01:12:14,945
but not near as
many as I thought.

1208
01:12:14,945 --> 01:12:17,825
There's over 1,000
in that group now,

1209
01:12:17,825 --> 01:12:19,970
but I was able to, like,

1210
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:22,655
the Terrell swimming pool,

1211
01:12:22,655 --> 01:12:26,795
ran him down and got
that to see that video,

1212
01:12:26,795 --> 01:12:31,865
and that video had
to be around 1949.

1213
01:12:31,865 --> 01:12:37,085
So did I answer that question?

1214
01:12:37,085 --> 01:12:40,490
Before you, trying to

1215
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:44,480
get more what y'all
are doing right now,

1216
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:47,210
but y'all need to
have done is do

1217
01:12:47,210 --> 01:12:49,085
this about 20 years ago when

1218
01:12:49,085 --> 01:12:52,410
the real people
were still alive.

1219
01:12:53,980 --> 01:12:57,965
>> And tell me about
your family, your wife.

1220
01:12:57,965 --> 01:13:02,840
>> My wife, Linda Joy Penfield.

1221
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,060
She's Joy and for me.

1222
01:13:05,060 --> 01:13:09,650
And my daughter is
Samantha Penfield.

1223
01:13:09,650 --> 01:13:14,405
My wife, I'd say,

1224
01:13:14,405 --> 01:13:16,715
we're both North
Georgia Hillbillies.

1225
01:13:16,715 --> 01:13:18,590
She was just born on

1226
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:21,950
the opposite side of the
ridge as me being Cornelian,

1227
01:13:21,950 --> 01:13:23,300
and we just followed the ridge

1228
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:24,860
down to Atlanta where we met.

1229
01:13:24,860 --> 01:13:28,250
We've been working our way

1230
01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:30,440
back to the mountains
ever since.

1231
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:35,180
We raised Samantha and
Dunway in Sandy Springs.

1232
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:37,550
And then when she
got out of school,

1233
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:40,805
we bought the house
up here 24 years ago,

1234
01:13:40,805 --> 01:13:44,910
and built this
building 20 years ago.

1235
01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:49,430
Been here living in the dream.

1236
01:13:51,540 --> 01:13:57,190
>> That's all I have. Thank you.

1237
01:13:57,190 --> 01:14:02,035
>> Well, thank you. I
hope offered some help.

1238
01:14:02,035 --> 01:14:05,800
Again, I saw Carl Han was

1239
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,790
one of your other
people, and Mr. King.

1240
01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:11,260
They're a little older than me,

1241
01:14:11,260 --> 01:14:19,750
so they can give a
lot more in depth,

1242
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:21,840
I guess, than I can,

1243
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,520
but maybe some of this
stuff would be helpful.